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	<title>Comments on: Successfully Applying Agile to Fixed-Bid Projects</title>
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		<title>By: Agile and fixed price contracts &#187; SDLC Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.udidahan.com/2007/09/01/successfully-applying-agile-to-fixed-bid-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-7050</link>
		<dc:creator>Agile and fixed price contracts &#187; SDLC Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Successfully Applying Agile to Fixed-Bid Projects: the post suggests that the customer must understand that the fixed-bid is not in their interest if the scope is also fixed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Successfully Applying Agile to Fixed-Bid Projects: the post suggests that the customer must understand that the fixed-bid is not in their interest if the scope is also fixed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thesoftwaresimplist</title>
		<link>http://www.udidahan.com/2007/09/01/successfully-applying-agile-to-fixed-bid-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>thesoftwaresimplist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the second commenter,

The bid is fixed. Ultimately, that means that the price is fixed. There is much more leeway in terms of time, and even more in terms of scope.

You have to realize that the customer will almost always ask for some kind of changes mid-way through. Once they&#039;ve agreed to change scope, then &quot;all bets are off&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the second commenter,</p>
<p>The bid is fixed. Ultimately, that means that the price is fixed. There is much more leeway in terms of time, and even more in terms of scope.</p>
<p>You have to realize that the customer will almost always ask for some kind of changes mid-way through. Once they&#8217;ve agreed to change scope, then &#8220;all bets are off&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahhem?</title>
		<link>http://www.udidahan.com/2007/09/01/successfully-applying-agile-to-fixed-bid-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-5974</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahhem?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Once you have a client who understands that the fixed-bid is not in their interest, they will work collaboratively with you to get a reasonable system out the door within the given budget.&quot;

I didn&#039;t quite understand what you were trying to say. The topic of this post is &quot;Successfully Applying Agile to Fixed-Bid Projects&quot; but it sounds like you are suggesting that the customer must understand that fixed price isn&#039;t reasonable and do the project with variable scope. Thus it&#039;s not fixed price/time/scope anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Once you have a client who understands that the fixed-bid is not in their interest, they will work collaboratively with you to get a reasonable system out the door within the given budget.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t quite understand what you were trying to say. The topic of this post is &#8220;Successfully Applying Agile to Fixed-Bid Projects&#8221; but it sounds like you are suggesting that the customer must understand that fixed price isn&#8217;t reasonable and do the project with variable scope. Thus it&#8217;s not fixed price/time/scope anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: John Rusk</title>
		<link>http://www.udidahan.com/2007/09/01/successfully-applying-agile-to-fixed-bid-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-5913</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Udi,

You&#039;re absolutely right that the traditional approach to fixed-pricing is filled with problems.  However, I like to believe that deliberate low bids are not the only (or best) answer.  For instance, there are options like two-stage contracts to delay final commitment until both parties are better informed.  I briefly blogged about the options here, http://www.agilekiwi.com/estimation_and_competition.htm, in a post about the problems caused by fixed-pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Udi,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right that the traditional approach to fixed-pricing is filled with problems.  However, I like to believe that deliberate low bids are not the only (or best) answer.  For instance, there are options like two-stage contracts to delay final commitment until both parties are better informed.  I briefly blogged about the options here, <a href="http://www.agilekiwi.com/estimation_and_competition.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.agilekiwi.com/estimation_and_competition.htm</a>, in a post about the problems caused by fixed-pricing.</p>
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