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	<title>Comments on: What to test, and when &#8211; feedback</title>
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	<description>Enterprise Development Expert &#38; SOA Specialist</description>
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		<title>By: thesoftwaresimplist</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesoftwaresimplist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc-Andre,

Check out what this tester at Microsoft has to say (http://weblogs.asp.net/chappell/archive/2004/06/03/147876.aspx):

Trying to improve software quality by increasing the amount of testing is like trying to lose weight by weighing yourself more…

The real value is in preventing bugs - especially regressions.

In your example, what business value have you provided?

The fact that you release software with a known set of bugs is fine - that is a part of risk/release management.

My main message is to focus on value-providing activites, as well as risk-mitigating activities. Sometimes finding bugs falls under risk-mitigation. However, since you never have enough resources to do everything possible, focus the resources you have better. Take a look at the whole project lifecycle - maybe you should be testing performance now, so that you&#039;ll know that your design for all your features will be sound, rather than doing usability testing.

How important is finding a usability bug? Well, that depends on where you are in the project, and how important usability is right then.

Finally, sometimes I say contraversial things just to get people listening :)

Glad you liked it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc-Andre,</p>
<p>Check out what this tester at Microsoft has to say (<a href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chappell/archive/2004/06/03/147876.aspx)" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.asp.net/chappell/archive/2004/06/03/147876.aspx)</a>:</p>
<p>Trying to improve software quality by increasing the amount of testing is like trying to lose weight by weighing yourself more…</p>
<p>The real value is in preventing bugs &#8211; especially regressions.</p>
<p>In your example, what business value have you provided?</p>
<p>The fact that you release software with a known set of bugs is fine &#8211; that is a part of risk/release management.</p>
<p>My main message is to focus on value-providing activites, as well as risk-mitigating activities. Sometimes finding bugs falls under risk-mitigation. However, since you never have enough resources to do everything possible, focus the resources you have better. Take a look at the whole project lifecycle &#8211; maybe you should be testing performance now, so that you&#8217;ll know that your design for all your features will be sound, rather than doing usability testing.</p>
<p>How important is finding a usability bug? Well, that depends on where you are in the project, and how important usability is right then.</p>
<p>Finally, sometimes I say contraversial things just to get people listening <img src='http://www.udidahan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Glad you liked it.</p>
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		<title>By: macournoyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>macournoyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Udi,
Yeah, I really did enjoy your presentation!

After digesting everything you said tough I came up being perplex with one thing. You said: &quot;Finding bugs does not add value&quot;. But isn&#039;t knowing where your bugs are the central point of quality _management_ ?

I think it adds value when I warn my customers: &quot;don&#039;t hit this button right now it will cause a error! we&#039;ll fix it on the next iteration&quot;. Ratter then shipping without even knowing were the bugs are.

What&#039;s your take on that ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Udi,<br />
Yeah, I really did enjoy your presentation!</p>
<p>After digesting everything you said tough I came up being perplex with one thing. You said: &#8220;Finding bugs does not add value&#8221;. But isn&#8217;t knowing where your bugs are the central point of quality _management_ ?</p>
<p>I think it adds value when I warn my customers: &#8220;don&#8217;t hit this button right now it will cause a error! we&#8217;ll fix it on the next iteration&#8221;. Ratter then shipping without even knowing were the bugs are.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your take on that ?</p>
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